Mark V’s Opinion on Carbon Clinchers at Levi’s Gran Fondo

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by Mark V on Apr 12, 2012 at 9:41 PM

Byron has asked me a few times about Levi Leipheimer’s King Ridge Gran Fondo having what effectively is a ban on carbon clincher wheels. Byron was saying that it was unprecedented that organizers would dictate what equipment riders could bring to a ride. On the contrary, as a mechanic at a shop I on occasion have customers bring their bikes in for a tuneup right before some organized tour, and they have lists of parts they must bring. The Gran Fondo organizers are essentially doing the same thing.

What are carbon clinchers? They are wheels that fit clincher-type tyres and have rims composed of carbon fibre and DO NOT have a metal braking surface. Carbon rim wheels were originally only compatible with tubular tyres, which are much easier to accommodate structurally because they are simply glued onto the rim’s perimeter. However, both gluing tubular tyres and dealing with flats are not very beginner-friendly. Carbon clinchers have promised to eliminate those two drawbacks while still delivering the lightweight and (often) aerodynamics of carbon tubular wheels (for a steep price). The problem comes from the fact that the clincher’s sidewall must function as both the braking surface and the structure that resists the clincher tyre’s internal air pressure bursting out sideways. It’s not that difficult to build a clincher rim that can do that for a static wheel, but the harder and longer you use the brakes, the more friction is applied to the rim’s braking surface. This happens to both metal and carbon fibre rims, but a carbon rim builds up more heat and sheds it poorly compared to aluminium. For heavy rider on a hot day, riding a long descent, and perhaps amongst a congestion of riders, that carbon clincher rim might see temperatures in excess of 300deg…hot enough for the resin holding the carbon fibres to crap out. Plus the tyre’s volume of air absorbs a portion of the heat, increasing pressure. Combine the two and the rim could fail in a big, bad way.

The key to alleviating this problem is finding the right resin that is both tough and heat resistant. Zipp, a subsidiary of SRAM Corporation, has invested much into developing a carbon clincher version of their Firecrest series racing wheels, but many other brands are simply buying open-sourced rims out of Asia to produce their own “wheel systems”. You can’t know for certain how well those wheels are going to hold up, and frankly I wouldn’t bet my life on Zipp if I was a big guy in that hot descent scenario. The Gran Fondo organizers have seen the problems in the past, so they are telling riders to leave the carbon clinchers at home this time around. Apparently on the registration form, there is a box on the waiver that you must check off indicating that you are aware of the carbon clincher policy.

So here is my opinion. Ride some regular alloy wheels and stop bitching. This is a Gran Fondo ride, which means “club race” to the hammerheads and “participatory event” to everyone else. If you fancy yourself some kind of road warrior who “needs the best” when it comes to equipment, then get the best: carbon tubular wheels. They are lighter, stronger, and faster for any given price point.

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photo from Cozy Beehive

But Mark V, I can’t handle all the gluing and what will I do if I flat? I don’t have a team car following me with spare wheels like those Tour Dee Frants riders

Well then, Sparky, learn how to change them yourself! Even Eddy Merckx didn’t have a team car following him on every training ride, and the old pros only trained on tubs. Besides, the Gran Fondo isn’t supposed to be a race and finishing first isn’t going to get you a pro contract. You can stop obsessing about being among the top thirty fastest accountants on vacation.

I read the Brand X’s website and it strongly implied, without giving any guarantee admissible in court, that I would be as safe on Brand X’s carbon clinchers as if I was in my mother’s womb, if my mother were sitting in an air bagged Volvo, parked in a Cold War bomb shelter with a “Baby on Board” sign on the door. Thus, I must protest the unfairness of the Gran Fondo banning my $2.5K wheels. Alloy wheels would so not match the carbon weave of my Colnago.

Look, I said that some brands are better than others, I didn’t say that the carbon clincher issues were cured. There is no industry standard test for these wheels, and it’s not for the Gran Fondo to create a testing program to see if your wheel will be safe. Maybe there will be a day when materials science and engineering can largely reduce these issues, and maybe handful of manufacturers can rightfully claim some progress. But there is such a concept as choosing the right tool for the task, and carbon clinchers are not the ideal choice for the parcours, regardless of how much you want to believe advertising. Levi’s Gran Fondo ride is likely to produce the very worst conditions for carbon clincher safety. Why can’t they make a blanket rule for the sake of safety? It’s in their best interests to reduce the possibility of a serious injury, from both a marketing and liability standpoint. And maybe they need to step up and do it because riders won’t police themselves from using unsafe equipment, if that equipment is desirable and cool. More consumers than ever before will be buying and riding carbon clinchers, and more will be coveting them. If some tool showed up for the Gran Fondo on a beat up Huffy, the Lycra Mafia would run that poor sod straight out of town. But show up on carbon clinchers, and it’s all Huzzah, I wonder if I can get those from Competitive Cyclist.

Any way you want to cut it, carbon clinchers are luxury goods. No one is going to be financially burdened by this ban. There are plenty of competitively light, alloy-rimmed clincher wheels that go up and downhill better than most carbon clinchers. They probably won’t match deep-section carbon clinchers when you factor in aerodynamics, but the Gran Fondo is neither flat nor a time trial. Going uphill aerodynamic wheels are no practical benefit, and if the roads were open and straight enough to allow you to really use the aerodynamics on the descents, then we wouldn’t be talking about them getting too hot from braking.

Hey, isn’t Levi Leipheimer a professional athlete sponsored by a manufacturer of carbon clinchers. What’s up with that?

What’s up with what? Yes, Levi’s team is paid to ride wheels that are made by a manufacturer that also makes carbon clinchers. And last year he rode for a different team that also was paid to ride wheels that were made by different manufacturer that also makes carbon clincher wheels. Apparently his contract doesn’t stipulate that Levi become a carbon clincher evangelist in all walks of life. To the best of my knowledge, he doesn’t actually ride carbon clincher wheels because during racing he would choose the best tool for the task, the one with the highest performance. That means carbon tubular wheels.

Why would they ride on those roads anyways, if they think carbon clinchers are unsafe?

If you are going to ask that question, you may as well ask why the French couldn’t find some smoother, safer roads between Paris and Roubaix. The Gran Fondo organizers are selling an experience: Ride the roads that Levi and pros ride. They are selling tickets to participate on that ride with a large group of like-minded individuals. You want to play, you follow their rules. Ain’t nothing stopping you from riding those roads with carbon clinchers on some other day.

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Comments: 7

Well written.  I think the reality is, and thus the uproar, it begs the question, “if I can’t show up at a Fondo and show off my $2,500 wheels and feel like a king, then why did I buy these wheels?”.

Indeed, why did you buy the wheels? 

For a Fondo, a clincher system is truly the right tool for the job.  If you flat, you can fix it quickly and easily, and be back on the road safely.  Not always so with a tubular. Save the tubies and high-end wheels for real racing.  If you feel like you need to be faster for the Fondo, spend more time on your bike.  There are greater gains to be made from fitness than you’ll ever get out of your wallet.

My response to this is what is a Fondo selling? If you’re taking recreational cyclists on Pro/Elite roads, that’s the issue. Guess you need to do night before check.

As an accountant, I’m offended by your suggestion that there might be 29 faster accountants out there.  Further, we’re a poor example, as we’re generally too cheap to buy carbon wheels.  Though edge mtn rims are calling me…

i obviously wrote this whole entry to encourage people to drop $6-10K on a Colnago with carbon clinchers and disc brakes, because you should always be able to buy success and prestige.

this whole talk about carbon clincher wheels makes a gran condo like L’Eroica (which requires vintage bicycles for participation) seem kinda cool to me.

@Byron
you know that last paragraph was written just for you, Mr I-rode-Paris-Roubaix

*cough* notaproblemwithdiscbrakes *cough*

thought I left a comment here, but its gone?

Just a comment, saw that Levi’s bike for the Gran Fondo (as well as a contributor to a cycling magazine) both rode S-Works Roubaix’s and both had Zipp 202 FC clinchers on them. Funny how clinchers were banned considering Levi rode ‘em and Zipp came on board as an official partner for 2012. Something seems odd?

Yes you noticed what we all did. Thought your previous comment was spam in a mobile view. Sorry. You repeated it again so didn’t post the first one. Regarding carbon clinchers, big climbs, and fast descents, see my latest post on them and name brands have resolved the issue. But if you weigh more than 200 lbs and do a long descent with them, pay attention to wear.

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